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The Wikipedia page for Digital Signage had become an advertisement for the few companies that have a Wikipedia page. Please add MORE links to the external links of media, events and companies that provide Digital Signage, Kiosks and Menu Boards. Itsallaboutsatellites (talk) 21:50, 2 September 2011 (UTC)
Yes, agreed. Need to remove all commercial related links. -- Preceding unsigned comment added by Technodudes (talk o contribs) 12:46, 23 November 2015 (UTC)
The DMOZ link is a bit useless. Is that site still active? Hendry (talk) 03:17, 21 February 2012 (UTC)
Digital Signage White Paper Video
ROI
Anybody here think it's funny that the statement that Digital Signage can provide higher ROI is supported by a vendor-sponsored "ROI" calculator that seems to throw numbers out of thin air? --Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.179.221.22 (talk) 04:11, 29 January 2010 (UTC)
What is ROI? If an abbreviation is used it should be preceded by an un-abbreviated version with the acronym in brackets for future use. Could there be a link to ROI?
Intellectual Property and copyrights
I am seeing products that are offering content creation at a fraction of the cost and time using existing "projects" converted to proprietary formats. Unless you already have your own content creation projects, contracts, groups, is this not suggesting to pirate and use other people's work? Which I am sure is the same thing as copy a Rembrant and passing it off as your own, especially in a wide open advertising digital signage scheme? -- Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.103.152.52 (talk) 11:38, 26 May 2011 (UTC)
Links
Lets ask ourselves Who is this page for? Well, its for people interested in digital signage, right? Those people want to know the facts, not marketing propaganda, but the facts often come from industry experts, but then citations must not be specific to any particular product or commercial body.
Is it reasonable to add links to industry publications? Yes, I think that´s useful to readers. And to commercial supplier? Yes, a list in alphabetical order would be useful to readers.
Lets look at the section "Suppliers", Pro AV has been referenced as an industry expert source, but its commercial, paid advertising. And someones added the small list of "top" suppliers, again from Pro AV. However, readers might want a broader spectrum of advice, not just from one commercial source like Pro AV, and other manufacturers of DS systems should be listed so readers can search through the available systems to find what suits them best. Rubén Mar (talk) 09:19, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
The article refers to "The recent introduction of free digital signage software". This is a reference without a source. As I am very interested in this free software, I would like someone to (perhaps) begin a list of Digital Signage Software? I know some proprietary ones, but no free ones. 212.104.204.79 (talk) 09:50, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
Hello - In order to be fair there simply must be NO links to company blogs here. To pretend that these blogs are not marketing arms of the associated companies is a joke. Rather than get into fights about who or what is independent, why not just make a blanket rule that only genuniley independent blogs are listed. I am MD of Ryarc Media Systems, a software company who's blog is not listed here. Thoughts? --Fergal O' Ceallaigh.
16:9 guy here ... I appreciate the many positive comments about my blog. I noticed the other day the traffic in from Wikipedia had dried up and came here to learn my blog had been voted off the island. If the blog mentioned immediately above makes the cut and mine doesn't, I'm mightily confused about your policy. Kick me and others off if we're breaking vows and shamelessly humping products. But as others have noted, there is way too much hype and blabber out there and a handful of bloggers are just trying to help weed out the crap and point to what's real and relevant. My two cents, in Canadian $$$.
I see that an editor has now removed all the links except that to The Screen. At the very least, I can't see much logic to allowing The Screen and excluding the CDSA - but can we have views from other editors before embarking on an endless cycle of reversions? Barnabypage 13:46, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
I'd like to propose a revision to the way links are added to "External Links": 1. Links should only go to a website's main page, not to a specific page (these should be saved for citing references if the page has anything to say). 2. Links should remain focussed to the digital signage industry as a whole and not just to advertising or retail. Digital signage is NOT just for these markets.
Based on those two points, I would like to remove In-store Marketing Institute, OVAB, OVAB Europe and POPAI from the External links. The alternative would be to add more links which balance the other market sectors, but I believe that would just make the situation worse. Legion722 (talk) 11:52, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
Is the 12th reference link to oxygennext.com really necessary? Why link to that particular company's site (to the main page of it, no less) when there are several providers of free digital signage out there? Noventri-ds (talk) 12:52, 17 March 2010 (UTC)
With regards to no links to company blogs: Our company has recently redone our website, and we have done a lot of research into EMC's, ROI, etc... We have even created a Javascript ROI calculator. Much of this, I believe, is information that the industry is sorely lacking. We have collected 20-30 case studies and analyzed the data to try to put together something truly informational and original. At the very least it does it's best to present a clear picture of what the true ROI is for a message center based on hard data instead of just coming up with numbers out of thin air. We have also put together a list of supporting docs, like the SBA report from 2000 with the "15-150% increase in business" claim that many put forward for ROI calculation, and even go so far as to put that in real context. The "Knife" article has a link to a blog that sells knives... And that was the first search I thought of. Frankly, companies that are in this industry are going to be the ones with the facts and figures. I'm not looking to put a giant banner with our company name in it, but I would like to make this a part of the current information on signage that's out there while still respecting community guidelines. Here is a link to our ROI whitepaper. Compare it with current reference #17. Thoughts? -- Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.83.35.66 (talk) 16:22, 6 May 2013 (UTC)
POPAI
I'm not sure that the paragraph below is at all helpful:
The large number of terms that have emerged to describe the nascent industry led Point of Purchase Advertising International (POPAI) to form a digital signage standards group in 2005. This group is currently tasked with assembling a list of standard terminology for describing digital signage technology and business models. It is expected to release a final list of its recommendations in 2006.
I think the section on POPAI needs more citing/linking. I've tried to find out more about this alleged list of recommendations but even the POPAI digital site seems to have nothing on it. What's more, its directory doesn't list any of the five digital signage companies I've seen presenting their products. HOw unbiased is POPAI and how useful? --Rhi 16:06, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
A new section appeared in the article promoting the POPAI industry standards. I've read the 3 page PDF of these standards and I'm not partiularly impressed (mostly seems to added unnecessary jargon and terms in an attempt to "clarify the jargon" :/). Anyway, I've merged that cited section into the "Issues and Progress" section, where it makes more sense. I also kept/added the link to the POPAI article (which is pretty dismal). Legion722 (talk) 11:52, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
Which Screen Association?
I find the mention of The Screen Association confusing. The article contains the text:
The Screen Association has sought to address some of the most pressing issues for the advertising market by releasing a white paper on audience measurement and a directory of UK based ad-networks.[citation needed] For the broader digital signage market the Screen Association has also issued an Industry Directory which is intended as a proposed roadmap for industry development.
There is also a link marked The Screen Association UK which links to http://www.thescreen.org/
However, the UK Screen Association as I understand it is the trade body that represents UK service companies to the film and television screen industries. (http://www.ukscreenassociation.co.uk) The Screen, which is what the link actually leads to, represents itself as an independent UK based trade association for the digital signage industry. Both sites are members only, neither has an industry directory but both have members directories which list fee-paying members.
Accordingly the paragraph on the Screen Association seems to be duplicitious (the lesser known digital signage group are trading on the name of the more prominent group), fradulent (the white paper isn't linked and doesn't appear to exist) and promotional (advertising digital signage suppliers rather than providing content). --Rhi 16:19, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
Content
I have edited a large amount of the Content section. It was getting far too confusing and missing the point of what 'content' on 'digital signage' actually is. It was full of references to Fifth Screen (a page with very little detail}, which is a concept and not a replacement term for 'digital signage'. I have cited almost all the sources of the things which are written, however I am aware that such a large amount of changes may upset people. Furthermore to this, I feel that the whole digital signage article is getting far too long, with too much irrelevant and unnecessary detail. Unless there is a significant objection, I intend to have a look at the Technology section and attempt to clairfy it. I would also like some help writing a a History section, which considering the age of digital signage, is very much needed.Legion722 (talk) 14:32, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
Archive
Would anyone object to me removing conversation threads which are older than 2007? This talk page seems a bit cluttered with old conversations.Legion722 (talk) 09:17, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
Merger proposal
adfotainment
Does anyone else think that "adfotainment" is a made up term and one which should perhaps be left out of an article on Digital signage? I have posted my views on the Talk:adfotainment page, so please discuss it there. However, my question for this talk page is: should we use "adfotainment" on the digital signage article when it is (at best) a niche term only used by a handful of people? - Legion722 (talk) 16:09, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
hijacked by SCREENS.tv?
RE: Barnabypage - Statements and Uber enforcement tactics to keep Digital Signage an extension of SCREENS.tv
Stating no commercial links in wiki is one thing however just because you are blogging does not make you "non-profit"
As your website states
"..contact us, please email the editorial or advertising department.
We are located at:
Saint John Patrick Publishers Ltd. 6 Laurence Pountney Hill London EC4R OBL United Kingdom
Why would you have an advertising department if you are not profiting by "hijacking" the Digital Signage wiki description.
It reeks of self promotion.
Just a question to your readers of your SCREENS.tv
Wayne Frisch, VP Software Development
Selenium Interactive --Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.72.222.252 (talk) 22:20, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
Very eloquently stated however; I will counter you opinion is slanted/skewed by your employment with a company who enjoys the benefit of linking to this wiki discription. Your statement that only a small fraction of visitors link into your website via this page is not of any concern. A fact is that by linking into this page you increase you goolge PR (page ranking).
Here is some reading on this subject for those dropping in...
see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Page_ranking see: http://www.thegooglecache.com/white-hat-seo/966-of-wikipedia-pages-rank-in-googles-top-10/
This is not a mystery to any person with a background in SEO promotion. This greatly effects the promotion of your group of websites which in turn allows you to enjoy the spoils gained by attracting advertising.
Still not convinced google "Digital Signage" see where the link to this page ranks. In many cases number 1 position.
I do know that this is a valuable asset to your company even if you are unaware of this fact I would place my bets on the fact someone in your organization does.
I see that St John's Publishing also produces a bi-monthy "Internet Retailing: Bi-Monthly Magazine" seems odd that your enterprise would be industry experts in this but not employ SEO tactics.
Another fact of some note is if it truely of no value -- why are you doing updates and checking the page daily during the course of your workday?
I strongly suggest for the interest of "keeping it real.." I challenge you to keep your links to SCREENS.tv site/blog off of here and no one will question your intentions.
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Create a section on Industry Related Publications, E-ZINES and open it up to everyone in the trade producing a magazine relating to digital signage industry. --Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.72.222.252 (talk) 03:12, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
Digital billboards
What about digital billboards? It seems they should fall under the category of "digital signage", but they are not mentioned in the article. --Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.5.49.253 (talk) 02:23, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
Relevant External Links
In regards to the content of this artile my site is more relevant than the other external links, should I put it onto the External Links section? My site is www.allsee-tech.com Is has multiple signage solutions and there are no prices as it is not a retail site. --Preceding unsigned comment added by AllSeeTech (talk o contribs) 17:05, 6 December 2010 (UTC)
SMIL
I'm not sure why Synchronized_Multimedia_Integration_Language is an important standard here for digital signage, say over HTML5? Seems like a company is pushing it's invested technology stack. Hendry (talk) 03:20, 21 February 2012 (UTC)
Open Source Solutions
Since there was a glaring lack of references to OSS. I added one, but did not want to add more as this seem to be the incorrect way. Jimwelch (talk) 03:34, 29 June 2011 (UTC)
Why is there an attack on open-source solutions in the content section? Why was open-source solutions removed without a justification? Jimwelch (talk) 22:13, 6 September 2011 (UTC)
Webconverger is an OSS digital signage product http://neon.webconverger.com/ and it's currently used on the streets of London via http://renewsolution.com. -Hendry (talk) 10:07, 8 February 2012 (UTC)
Environmental Graphic Designers
I'm not sure about the prominence given to Environmental Graphic Designers in the lead para. While they obviously play an important part in digital signage, the reality is that a very large number of installations are not designed by these particular professionals. Anyone else have any opinions on this, pro or con? Barnabypage (talk) 12:06, 17 September 2014 (UTC)
Major revisions required
Outdated - Due to the sales volume, drop in prices, advent of network and computational powers, digital signage industry has evolved rapidly in the last few years. However, none of the latest development is updated in this article.
Poor Quality - Most of the text is suspected to have copied from another website. Plus, it is really low quality. Need a major revamp.
Over focussed on certain aspects - Not balanced. Does not give an clear overview of the digital signage industry, its uses and its futures.
Commercially Motivated[ - Promoting certain technologies which are not important for the current and future of the digital signage industry.
Technodudes (talk) 05:09, 25 November 2015 (UTC)
DAJF has wrongly accused 'Copy and Paste' sections of Digital Signage wiki page from https://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www.corex.co.za/corex/solution/digital-signage.html
If you look closely, it is the other way around. We can see that it is more likely that Securicomllc copied directly from the old version of the wiki page. https://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www.corex.co.za/corex/solution/digital-signage.html
One final words to DAJF: Please please don't let our personal arguments ends up in 'Removal Revenge'. If you really want to improve to the quality of the pages I am editing at the same time, I can apologise and settle old issues, and we can work together. Stop using 'follow Wikipedia guidelines' as your excuse (and personal use). -- Preceding unsigned comment added by Technodudes (talk o contribs) 04:35, 7 December 2015 (UTC)
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Update Needed
Hey everyone, this page is a little outdated. I propose we all work together to add different citations that are actually credible and not commercialized links. I propose the following change, anyone is free to edit my changes if they feel like it does not fit the purpose.
- Citations (Remove all citations that are related to commercialization of products)
- Reorganization of all sections (New sections to add and improvement to be made on older sections)
- New Sections to add:
- Industry (Size of market, potential growth, worth of market, usage of digital signage on a global scale)
- Use of digital signage (In different markets, in different environment, for different uses, and how they are compatible) (Who use them, and how they use it)
Those are my proposed changes for now. Please feel free to comment if there is any suggestions. Let's all work together to improve this page. -- Preceding unsigned comment added by Technodudes (talk o contribs) 06:27, 22 August 2017 (UTC)
Response
- Citations: As far as citations are concerned, any editor is ablre to remove citations that are spam. A better option, however, would simply be to replace spam references with superior references from books or journal articles.
- Re-organisation: I have no idea what is meant by "improvement to old sections" - could this be a little more specific?
- New sections:
(a) There is already a section devoted to industry overview - and this is arguably where the suggested content on industry size belongs. If you are going to discuss industry size, market worth etc - would this be global coverage? Is it even possible to source market value/size at a global level? If not, would the coverage be US-based or would it be necessary to provide information for every country - some 90 odd nations or just the English speaking nations? And, where would the data come from?
(b) The use of different digital signage in different industries needs a reconceptualisation. One sub-section is shopping malls but it seems to me that this should be covered in a broader category retail of which malls are but just one example. Two other subsections are labelled restaurants and hospitality are actually different facets of the same thing - hospitality includes restaurants as well as hotel accommodation, cafes, hotels and bars.
I cannot help wondering where the list of different industry applications might have a logical ending? Why not include: tourist destinations, visitor attractions, cultural arts attractions (museums, galleries, zoos), hospitals, professional service providers, property developers, realtors (Br: real estate agents), banks, transportation services, airports, entertainment venues, sporting stadia, cinemas, hair-salons and beauticians, sex shops, brothels, massage parlours, etc, etc etc? If everything is included, there is a real risk that the article will become impossibly long and tedious. If everything is not included, the article will probably be tagged as "unbalanced" or as it already is tagged "lacking a worldwide focus". The article already includes a section devoted to the general applications - why is it necessary to repeat these general applications with reference to specific industries? My feeling is that the article only needs to discuss specific industry applications if they are unique to a given industry and are not already canvassed in the general section - and a few salient examples may be all that is necessary.
This is an encyclopedia article - it provides general information - and may point users to other more detailed information via high quality references, see also sections and external links. It is not appropriate to write an "all you ever needed to know about digital signage" in a single article or turn it into some kind of dissertation on the subject. BronHiggs (talk) 08:34, 22 September 2017 (UTC)
Detailed response about references
1. "There are currently over 200 different companies worldwide that are marketing digital signage solutions." Reference:http://buyersguide.designretailonline.com/category/digital-signage%7Ctitle=List of Digital Signage Companies and Vendors in the design: retail Buyers' Guide
2. "Predominant market users of digital signage are restaurants" Reference:https://www.digitalsignagetoday.com/articles/dse14-dunkin-donuts-serves-up-digital-menu-boards/%7Ctitle=DSE14: Dunkin' Donuts serves up digital menu boards|date=2014-02-20|work=www.digitalsignagetoday.com|access-date=2017-08-22
3. "Restaurants are able to use digital signage both indoors and outdoors, with the latter needing a form of weather protection depending on the components of the hardware Reference:" Emojis Get a High-Fashion Makeover at Saks Fifth Avenue, url=http://footwearnews.com/2017/fn-spy/red-carpet/emoji-shoes-flip-flops-slides-emoji-movie-394730/
4. "Presently, North America dominates the digital signage market and will be expected to continue dominating the market until 2020, with the US occupying a majority of the market share. Reference:http://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20151014006405, "Research and Markets: Global Digital Signage Market - Forecasts and Trends Report 2015-2020," but elsewhere in the article, we see "China currently leads the world in the number of digital sign displays deployed and number of NASDAQ IPOs. Another source for information on digital sign displays and impressions (the number of times a viewer reads/views digital sign), is a report provided by Nielsen, the "4th Screen Network Audience Report". Reference: Joe Mandese, MediaPost News,April 13, http://www.mediapost.com/publications/article/125922/
BronHiggs (talk) 09:51, 22 September 2017 (UTC)
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